Total 54 Internship sales marketing manager job vacancies in Malaysia

主要職責：

1. 支援業務團隊的日常營運和規劃。
2. 協助銷售活動，包括客戶外展和銷售追蹤。
3. 進行研究以確定市場趨勢和機會。
4. 幫助準備銷售簡報和報告。
5. 協助執行日程安排和溝通等行政任務。
6. 上級交辦的其他額外任務。

主要要求：

1. 目前正在攻讀商業、行銷、管理或相關領域的文憑或學位
2. 對業務運營、銷售和客戶關係有濃厚的興趣。
3. 良好的書面和口頭溝通能力。
4. Microsoft Office（Excel、Word、PowerPoint）的基本知識。
5. 積極、主動的態度和學習的意願。
6. 能夠在團隊中良好工作並處理多項任務。

這個職業對你有什麼好處：

1. 實務經驗：獲得業務管理和銷售的實際經驗。
2. 職涯發展：公司內全職工作機會或未來職涯機會的潛力。
3. 技能發展：增強溝通、團隊合作、時間管理和解決問題的技能。
4. 結業證書：成功完成實習後可新增至您的履歷中的證書。
5. 正向的工作環境：在支持性、協作性和充滿活力的團隊氛圍中工作。

職位要求：

1. 1. 目前正在攻讀大眾傳播/公共關係/行銷/內容創作/平面設計學位或文憑
   2. 較強的寫作和編輯能力，具有各種溝通管道的寫作經驗
   3. 熟悉社群媒體平台與內容創作
   4. 優秀的溝通與團隊合作能力
   5. 最短實習時間為 3 個月 - 6 個月

工作職責：

• • 使用數位工具設計我們公司的產品
  • 隨時了解產業趨勢、數位行銷最佳實踐和新興技術，以實施創新策略。
  • 協助新產品的發布或評估品牌或產品的當前策略。
  • 協助公司品牌的數位行銷（知名度、內容、本地合作夥伴關係、電子商務等）。
  • 共同開發市場和計劃審查。

工作福利：

• 津貼：RM800
• 工作時間：
• 週一至週五上午 9.00 至下午 5.30
• 上午 9.00 至下午 5.30/隔週六，在家工作

津貼和福利

• 事假
• 開放文化
• 個人發展機會

Key Responsibilities:

• Assist in executing marketing and brand campaigns across various channels.
• Serve as the primary liaison with vendors, ensuring smooth coordination and delivery of materials.

Qualifications:

• A strong team player with excellent stakeholder management skills.
• Creative thinker with the ability to adapt and execute campaigns effectively.
• Strong command of English, both written and spoken; proficiency in Bahasa Malaysia is an added advantage.

Perks & Benefits

• Nearby public transport
• Central location
• Smart casual dress code

完整的職位描述

資質：

• 擁有自己的汽車

職責：

• 參與行銷和業務規劃，以及戶外活動和路演

• 為個人或團隊提供辦公室支持，以確保業務順利運作。

• 提供所有部門行政支援和協助。

• 能保持嚴格的信心並與各級管理階層、員工和顧客進行專業互動。

• 全面協助部門及相關職能部門的工作。

• 不時指派的任何其他臨時管理工作。

工作類型： 實習

薪資：每月 RM 700-1200

好處：

• 職涯發展機會

• 專業發展

津貼和福利

• 津貼（旅費、交通費等）
• 附近的公共交通
• 休閒著裝要求
• 免費小吃/歡樂時光
• 個人發展機會

"Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world” – Nelson Mandela”

If you believe in education just as much as we do, you are a good match.

If you are also interested in photography and photo editing, you are a great match.

On top of that, if you exude positive vibes, perform creatively and possess a gungho spirit, hit us up already because you are the one!

The Job:

• Promote Pixlr and assist clients to understand Pixlr Education program.
• Provide creative support and onboard clients on Pixlr for Education program.
• Assist in day-to-day operational matters (including researching and analyzing possible avenues to market Pixlr for Education program).
• Be the first point-of-contact/face of Pixlr for Education program.
• To assist in seeding relevant content across social media platforms in order to increase awareness.
• Manage and engage the stakeholders.

The Person:

• Possess or pursuing a Diploma/Degree in any relevant field.
• Possess functional skills: Microsoft Excel/Google Sheets (with formulas) and PowerPoint/Google Slides.
• Exude positive vibes, perform creatively, and possess an enthusiastic spirit.
• Be meticulous about any and everything (have a good eye for detail!)
• Demonstrate the I.P.I. qualities - Independent, Proactive, and Initiative.

• Opportunities - Above training and guidance, you will have the opportunity to try, to build your confidence and become your best self, and to interact and build a strong relationship.
• Rocking Diversity- Play hard, work harder with people of diverse skill sets and experiences! Challange yourself to step out of your comfort zone, and you'll find yourself growing in way you'd never imagine.

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

Tasks:

• Execute marketing campaigns
• Execute branding campaign
• Assist with e-commerce data analysis
• Assist with executing all marketing gameplans

Projects:

• Digital (Social Media & E-commerce)
• On ground activation/Event
• Digital and eCommerce Sales & Product Data Analysis
• Social Media & Ecommerce Gameplan execution

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• Assist in creating marketing materials, including brochures, flyers, and social media content.
• Support the team in executing digital campaigns, email blasts, and website updates.
• Conduct market research to identify new opportunities, industry trends, and competitive landscapes.
• Contribute to corporate marketing strategic planning, helping to shape long-term marketing initiatives.
• Help organize events, webinars, and exhibitions.
• Track marketing performance metrics and prepare reports for campaign evaluations.
• Collaborate with cross-functional teams to align marketing efforts with business objectives.

• Currently pursuing a diploma/degree in Marketing, Communications, Business, or a related field.
• Strong interest in renewable energy and sustainability.
• Familiarity with social media platforms and basic design tools (e.g., Canva, Adobe Illustrator, video editing tools such as Capcut).
• Analytical thinking with an interest in strategic planning and decision-making.
• Excellent English written and verbal communication skills.
• Highly organized, detail-oriented, and proactive.
• Ability to work independently and as part of a team.

• Hands-on learning experience in the sustainability and renewable energy industry.
• Opportunity to gain experience in corporate marketing strategies, including collaboration with external companies on impactful campaigns.
• Opportunity to be involved in real-world projects shaping the future of sustainability.
• Mentorship and networking opportunities within the renewable energy sector.
• A friendly, inclusive, and collaborative workplace.
• Internship allowance and potential employment opportunities for outstanding candidates.

ABOUT US

As Southeast Asia’s #1 integrated logistics provider, Teleport is all about making logistics fast, affordable and reliable. Our mission? To move things across Southeast Asia better than anyone else. We’re focused on making next-day delivery a reality for all. #TeamTeleport is guided by our values: Move with urgency — because time is crucial; Aim to pioneer — constantly innovating to stay ahead; Do it with intent — delivering with purpose and precision; and Keep it real — maintaining authenticity and transparency in all we do.

Learn more about Teleport here: https://www.teleport.it/ 

ALLOWANCE: RM1000/monthly

A DAY IN A LIFE

As a start up, you can expect your days to be pretty varied. Multitasking is normal, and sometimes, your skills or natural talents will be leveraged to support other business priorities. That said, the bulk of your working hours should involve you having to:

• Lead Research & Identification: Conduct thorough research to identify potential customers across various industries who would benefit from Teleport’s logistics solutions. Develop a deep understanding of target customer profiles to build a qualified lead pipeline.
• Automation of Outreach Loops: Research and implement automated systems to streamline lead generation, outreach, and follow-up processes. Use SaaS tools (e.g., Lemlist, Pipedrive) to create workflows that allow consistent, scalable, and effective communication with leads.
• Outreach Optimisation: Continuously monitor and optimize these systems to ensure high efficiency and effectiveness. Update workflows, sequences, and lead prioritization strategies as needed based on performance metrics.
• CRM Management: Maintain accurate and up-to-date records in the CRM system. Ensure smooth data flow between automated systems and CRM tools, enhancing the visibility of lead status and activity.

These are minimum-requirement skills and a ‘must-have’ for the role:

• Someone who loves to automate stuff - excited by the prospect of working with different tools
• Working on setting up systems for lead generation, lead engagement (through email, whatsapp, social media) and lead onboarding

At Teleport, we’re all about creating a diverse and inclusive team where everyone feels valued. We believe that different perspectives make us stronger and help us do logistics better across Southeast Asia. We welcome people from all walks of life and celebrate what makes each of us unique. If you’re passionate about making a difference, we’d love to hear from you!

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

Funding Societies | Modalku is the largest SME digital financing platform in Southeast Asia, expanding into a leading SME neobank. We are licensed and registered in Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, and operating in Vietnam, and backed by Sequoia India, Softbank Vision Fund and SMBC bank amongst many others. Funding Societies | Modalku provides business financing to small and medium-sized enterprises (SMEs), which is funded by individual and institutional investors.

And here at Funding Societies | Modalku we live by our core values:

• Serve with Obsession: Build win-win relationships for the long-term by having a customer obsession.
• Grow Relentlessly: Strive to become our best, most authentic selves.
• Enable Teamwork, Disable Politics: Only by forging togetherness, we help each other succeed.
• Test Measure Act: Stay curious and reinvent ourselves, through innovation and experimentation.
• Focus on Impact: Create impact through bias for action and tangible results.

What you will do:

• To assist in providing troubleshooting assistance for customer orders, account statuses and relevant problems.
• To assist in Managing sales tracking tools and report on important information.
• To stay up to date with new product and feature launches and ensure sales team is on board.
• To liaise with account managers to develop specific sales strategies.
• To assist in developing and monitoring performance indicators.
• To compile and check company/business registration/relevant documents.
• To record/update internal systems for any financing application.
• To prepare financing agreements and relevant finance document.
• To perform any other duties and responsibilities assigned from time to time.

What we are looking for:

• Currently pursuing a diploma or degree in Business, Marketing, Communications, or any related field.
• Strong verbal and written communication skills in English and Mandarin, Bahasa Malaysia is a plus.
• Proficiency in Microsoft Office (Word, Excel are preferred).
• Comfortable with digital communication tools.
• Positive attitude and eagerness to learn.
• Results-oriented with a proactive mindset.
• A team player with a collaborative approach.
• Resilience and perseverance in handling rejections or challenges.

• Time off - We would love you to take time off to rest and rejuvenate. We offer flexible paid vacations as well as many other observed holidays by country. We also like to have our people take a day off for special days like birthdays and work anniversaries.
• Flexible Working - We believe in giving back the control of work & life to our people. We trust our people and love to provide the space to accommodate each and everyone's working style and personal life.
• Medical Benefits - We offer health insurance coverage for our employees and dependents. Our people focus on our mission knowing we have their back for their loved ones too.
• Mental Health and Wellness - We understand that our team productivity is directly linked to our mental and physical health. Hence we have Wellness Wednesdays and we engage partners to provide well-being coaching. And we have our Great FSMK Workout sessions too to keep everyone healthy and fit!
• Learning & Development - We believe learning should never end and we support everyone with curated learning programs on our internal learning platform.
• Tech Support - We provide a company laptop for our employees and the best possible support for the right equipment/tools to enable high productivity.

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

Tasks:

• Assist in social media planning.
• Assist in graphic design involving posters, product flyers, video editing and photo editing.
• Support in content creation related to industry, services, products, people, company events, and holiday posts.

Project:

• Campaign management through social media (Facebook and LinkedIn).
• Brochures and posters.
• Manage newsletter, blog posts and Bosch Zunder Online.

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets

• To come up with fully-thought out marketing/ advertising ideas that can be implemented from start to finish 
• To analyze and report on target audience insights, consumer trends, market analysis and marketing best practices to help build the best strategies possible
• Discussing and consolidating the data and findings you have to back up your marketing ideas with the managing director or business executive.
• Ensuring that the marketing plans and strategies appeal to the target audience members
• To design or create marketing materials such as videos, articles, banners, posters, emails and etc
• Developing creative briefs that detail how we meet objectives for all advertising and public-facing communications including print, social media, digital marketing, video assets and etc. 
• Researching and documenting the best ways to gather customer and market insights to determine what outreach strategies are needed to increase customer conversions if the Ad idea has been launched 
• Documenting how we track the impact and effectiveness of the current marketing plans put in place, analyzing them as well as finding ways to improve or optimize them accordingly
• Administrative work if needed: Collecting and checking the accuracy of data in Excel or Google Sheets